A conversation with John and Me about Darwin's Black Box

Seriously .. u are asking me if I think the earth is 6K years old after I have been arguing in favor of evolution for the last few months. I don't believe the earth is 6K years old becouse that would be silly.

How do u fit God into this?You mean the Christian God. Well God is everywhere

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

The supposedly "Random" effects may happen at the quantum level. Maybe God directs that with gentle nudges until he gets what he wants. It seems to me that most creationists are actually deists who believe that God has created the world and it will run it's course as prescribed with no room for novelty.

Here is an Exert from Wikipedia on Deism "Enlightenment thinkers, under the influence of Newtonian science, tended to view the universe as a vast machine, created and set in motion by a creator being, that continues to operate according to natural law, without any divine intervention."

To me it seems like the God of the bible is a dynamic God who wants to interact with his creation but also allows his creation to have it's own creative force.



----- Original Message ----
From: john hariot
To: Michael Jones
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:54:31 AM
Subject: Re: a biochemists viewpoint on how the eye works and evolution

very interesting what you say. I think im following you.How do you merge
or blend God into all this?
And i was thinking about another thing. Do you beleive like many bible
scholars that the earth is 6 or 10 thousand years old? And why or why not?

Michael Jones wrote:
> I read Darwin's Black Box a few years ago and thought about this issue of irreducible complexity. One thing struck me. Viruses that are likely to not have been around at the dawn of time such as HIV have seemingly irreproducible complex mechanisms in there interaction with humans. And we see similar but equally irreproducible mechanisms with other species such as monkeys. It is more likely in my thought that human HIV evolved from a monkey strain rather then God creating both irreducible mechanisms at the beginging of creation. It is true that we see these very complex mechanisms in the cell but we also see lots of seamingly uneccesary components and redundant components. Another explanation for the aperance of irreproducible mechanisms is a trimming down of the redundant components, as they are unecessary, until all the fat is gone and we have a mean clean machine.
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